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Poll: Everyone Deserves A Chance

Limit the charts to only one pet per keeper
 
15 votes / 83%
Let single players dominate the weekly charts
 
3 votes / 17%
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  • Capture-the-Night
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Posted at 2014-10-05 00:26:51 — Link

I have a quick idea that I think will make the game more fair. I wouldn't call it "earth shattering" though lol. I've recently seen an issue with the weekly charts. I usually try to get 1 pet into the top 10 of the weekly charts each week because that is my only source of gold on this game. However, it is very difficult to survive on the charts when a single player is taking 3 or more of the 10 precious spots. 

I was thinking that there should be a limit of one pet per keeper on the weekly charts at one time. The keepers may not even realize their dominiation in the weekly charts, it may be due to something else, but it really is not very fair. 

Thank you!

~Capture


  • nb
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Posted at 2014-10-05 00:44:21 — Link

I agree!

The weekly breeding trade chart, pet trade chart and item trade chart are each limited to one spot per keeper. I often find myself with several pets in the top of the weekly battle chart because I am trying to promote specific pets quickly to level 50 for breeding or because I am battling to get ahead in a particular exhibition that counts arena wins. My vote is YES!

I do feel that a keeper should be able to be on more than one of the charts though, so that the limit is for 1 spot per chart.

nb


  • Zaltys
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Posted at 2014-10-05 18:28:13 — Link

And same for the overall battle chart. I'm worried since my pets are gaining up on top ten there, and that means I'll end up hogging those spots and blocking others from the shop discounts. Not exactly fair if one player ends up taking all the spots.


  • Timain
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Posted at 2014-10-05 23:24:48 — Link

Agreed. I do believe that would make it much fairer. 


  • Nightingale
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Posted at 2014-10-06 00:22:20 — Link

I agree!!! I'd love a limit for holding the portal as well- hold the line is terribly hard to beat and it seems like a few dominate it and others can hardly get a shot. I'm not saying their success is not due to their hard work- but it is nice to have other people get a chance... Hold the line is difficult to beat regardless.

Hard work should be rewarded to these people... perhaps some sort of permamant recognition or something? I mean, life isn't always fair and people who work hard should get the rewards they work for... but unlike life- there are a few spots that can be held. More cannot be created. 

 

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  • Indiana
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Posted at 2014-10-07 17:33:48 — Link

I may be one of the players you are refering to... as I usually have more than one pet in the top 10  for battles.

I am not going to appologise for working hard to improve my pets ...if I spend a lot of time, and gold on energy drinks and Major Scrolls of Insight,  to get my pets to level 50, then I feel I deserve the reward for doing so. 

So for that reason  I can't, and won't, support this suggestion


  • Nightingale
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Posted at 2014-10-07 19:31:35 — Link

@Indiana- Nor should you have to lose anything. You, and others, have worked hard to get where you are. But given that this site is run based on coding and such, and not life, it makes it hard. In life people who work hard should be rewarded. But there are many ways to be rewarded and there can always be new ways that appear... However, on a website there are only 10 spots. And that is it. Newer users are at a distinct disadvantage, even if they have an amazing group of pets. This is simply because others have been around longer. After some time people are going to become very stratified in terms of wealth and it will be even harder for others to get to the top. If you are able to hold several top spots, and get lots of gold, you are probably going to use it to get more spots (as any person would!). Eventually this person will become very wealthy and powerful... Not saying this isn't well deserved or anything, it just presents a bit of a frustration in terms of game mechanics and allowing for some diversity in the charts. 

Perhaps there should be a way that people can receive some sort of permanant recognition for their work (after x amount of wins). 

I'm trying to think of a middle ground that does not diminish the hard work of others, but still allows ample room for oppertunity from either well deserving people who work hard, or new people trying to rise up in the ranks. You are right in saying that you should not "miss out" simply because you worked hard and outcompeted others- that should be rewarded because that is the point of having a weekly chart. 

 

I know I'm one of those people who does try but always ends up just behind. I've gotten close in the exhibitions, but never reached it. C'est la vie- just means I have more work to do. But I really would love a spot, simply for the expand stable scroll. I'm at a standstill with breeding because my stable is full and I've sold all I care to, or the the rest is sitting in my stables. Too good for the pound in my opinion, yet not selling for a fair price, because of the influx of cheap pets, on the market. 

Hmm... I'll stop letting my thoughts run away. 

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  • Indiana
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Posted at 2014-10-08 03:33:51 — Link

@Nightingale

I am not about to enter into an argument or defend myself on this public board, but I will say that the wording of the choice on the poll is hardly a fair way to put it...it seems to me to be designed to make folk vote for the limit

 

Limit the charts to only one pet per keeper

or

Let single players dominate the weekly charts

 

 

  • Capture-the-Night
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Posted at 2014-10-08 03:57:30 — Link

@Nightingale

How about making it to where one player can have multiple pets for one spot? Say Indiana (for lack of a better person to use right now) has spots 1 through 4. Because of these spots being held by one person, the gold giving spots would extend to 14 (still 10 different players)

I see where that could be difficult, confusing or just not possible, but it is middle ground I think.

@Indiana

I agree that maybe my wording on my poll is a little poor. I was agitated at the time of typing my post for I had been trying my hardest to get 1 pet into the top 10, yet finished again in 11th. I only have so much time with schooling, societies, and clubs. it's difficult to be successful with no time.

this does not mean of course that you shouldn't get recognized or rewarded for your hard work on the game, just looking to a change towards the little people.

I'm sorry if my wording has offended you in any way.

~Capture


  • Nightingale
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Posted at 2014-10-08 14:57:35 — Link

Indiana- I respect that, I'm sorry if the topics upsets you, as you said, you are rightly rewarded for your efforts and it would be wrong to take that away.

Capture- Do you mean the sum of all that users arena wins for all pets? That may favor people with more pets, and those with premium who can just throw them in.

Hmm, I may have a better solution... Indiana, I'm sorry if I'm assuming anything, I do not mean to offend.

 What if instead of calculating battle wins we use a ratio/percentage? I am assuming that people who really care about battle wins, or those who have the strongest pets

The theory is that people who place more care in battling will be rewarded. I have premium, I care about battling, but I don't always have time... As such I throw my pets in the arena without care and they fight whomever. I figure people who place greater care in battling likely choose their battles wisely. As such, they probably win more battles than they loose. Unlike me, who loses way more than I win. But because I battle a lot I have higher win percentage than a few. I'm not very math inclined, so please correct me- But wouldn't it be more just if people who had more wins over losses were rewarded for their hard work?

This could help counter the "mass add to battle", give users who pick their battles and work to make their pet strong, a fair chance. I have been watching my battle scores with great curiosity lately... My war unicorns are doing quite well. My other pets... Not so much- but they still win and gain levels because I fight so much. Like I said, I'm bad with math, but the stronger pets are being rewarded. 

There is a way to make this take into account the battles aactually fought in... That way your win percentage isn't 100% if you only battled once... I'm just bad with math, but I recall something in statistics that allowed this.

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  • nb
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Posted at 2014-10-08 18:56:44 — Link

My thoughts:

One of the great things about Beastkeeper is that it has challenges to keep all levels of players inspired and hopeful. So there are different levels of difficulty you can tackle depending on your experience and available time.

On the more difficult end of the scale are exhibitions and breeding "the perfect" pets. On the easier end of the scale are the weekly item trade charts and the weekly battle charts and breeding "better" pets and leveling your pets up to higher levels. Somewhere in between are the weekly charts for pet trades and breeding.

There needs to continue to be a balance so that all levels can enjoy successes. For me personally, I have time (and obsession) enough to explore and trade for lots of energy drinks, and I could probably fill up 8 or 9 slots on the weekly battle chart if it was my goal. Last week I had 4 pets in the top ten of the weekly battle chart because I was battling them for the exhibition. I had to make an effort not to battle the 5th as much as I would otherwise have done, to try to prevent it from getting into the top 10 of the weekly battle chart as well. When I discovered I had so many pets in the chart I was actually embarassed, because I don't think it is quite balanced. So it kinda puts a damper on my goals for success in exhibitions and for being able to level up pets quickly for whatever my current breeding goal is. So while it won't satisfy everyone unfortunately, I do think that the battle chart should be kept as a challenge that more keepers have a chance to succeed in, and therefor should give a gold prize to 10 different keepers if possible.

Maybe a compromise is to keep allowing keepers to have as many pets in the top 10 of the weekly battle chart as they can accomplish and they will keep the honor of being recognized with their positions in the chart, but they only receive one of the gold coin prizes no matter how many pets are in that chart, and the prizes go down the chart as far as is needed for 10 keepers to get a gold prize.


  • Capture-the-Night
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Posted at 2014-10-09 01:42:53 — Link

I kind of like the ratio/percentage idea BUT there lies a simple issue there. if you battle a single pet once, and it wins, your percenntage is 100%

nb, thank you for your last paragraph, it is what I was trying to say, but you definitely found better wording for it


  • Nightingale
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Posted at 2014-10-09 02:58:20 — Link

It would have to take into account the amounts of battles one... I'm not a math person, but I remember something from Statistics where you could do this... Maybe I can go find my notes for it? Anyone good at math? It was not my major...

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  • Capture-the-Night
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Posted at 2014-10-09 14:09:12 — Link

Lol, I'm in trig right now, but nothing to do with percentages and such >.<



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